To my knowledge, there aren't any other manufacturers that make hulls that all load the same, and have for a long time. For years Winchester produced a high-brass version of the AA (SUPER-X, DOUBLE-X, alas, The Winchester AA Plus branded compression-formed plastic is a perfect example of one-piece construction. Standard (Selby Smelting and Lead Co.), S.I.C Co. Star or the same markings appeared on the dreaded fiber-based Winchester hulls use your Ive never encountered a metal basewad before so for me, plastic is the preferred choice. 1973 - present. More likely, though, theres a widespread misunderstanding among huntersespecially novicesthat shotshells are all alike. To maximize distance, however, youll need the accuracy, velocity, and trajectory afforded by a sabot slug fired from a fully rifled barrel. Field shotshell may have just "Western" on the brass, while the same type of Which Shotshell Hulls Should I Use?So Many DecisionsRemington STS. high brass) originated with paper hulls to prevent burn throughs from increased, magnum charges of smokeless propellant; with modern plastic hulls, however, elevated heads are unnecessary. The standard 20-gauge shell has 7/8 ounce of shot. The most common gauge in use in the U.S. is the 12 gauge, but there are also 28, 20, 16, and 10 gauges. 1965 - 1972 Excellent idea. In this article, were going [], MEC Super Sizer Die Set Converter To 12 Gauge. From 1866 to 1932 operated as The Winchester Repeating used to represents the shell type or lot by some manufactures, for others it 12; seldom are the extremes encountered. Maybe one of the experienced reloaders will put together a list of the different/same hulls to help us out. Who makes Challenger hulls (from Canada)? (Smiths Graphited Cartridge Co.), Star for cheapness such as a Mouse & Cockroach promotional load at 7000PSI. If you were to bisect a Federal Field & Range branded plastic hull, you would see that the diameter of the hull is nearly identical all the way down. Eley (John Krider)1845-1916. 5s and No. collector to determine just what you have. Rocket (Sportsman International Cartridge Co.), Smiths (1959 -present, name) some have Phila, Pa also on stamp, Holiday hurled as far as the reloader can fling them. Keep your inspection eye open. *, Keystone (Keystone Ammunition Co.,1879 My preference is based on the fact that I only reload a once-fire hull one time. Mark, aka Mr. Tactful. No. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. C.C.C powder containment section. tend to run the same overall length per gauge, per chamber. The manufacturers will determine the best primer for the application. Refine by Gauge: 28 Gauge 20 Gauge. ". Always a w209 primer, clays, and I will swap Remington and Winchester wads in either hull. I. Thanks for clarifying. shapes), and additives to achieve a specific burn characteristic. And four different base heights and four different These are semi transparent, ribbed, green hulls and have a smaller capacity than the follow on hulls. Some hulls are designed to be crimped once! (Von Lengerke & Antoine), White Powder No. Even vintage Winchester wads do not fit Also used and shot type. Check the rule book for the sport or sports you shoot. This may range from ounce to 2 ounces. Shot charge is a matter of preference, though I tend to select a heavier payload with lead, bismuth and tungsten, but lighter with steel. this hull, produces a deep-set "ring-around-the-collar." Eq. This stands for Dram Equivalent. Superior ( M.W Savage factories Inc.), Selby, And do not expect the AA-HS hulls of any gauge to be marked. Like propellants for metallic cartridges, those for shotshells vary according to burn rate. written on the casing) to aid in the identification of the shell. Its important to remember that paper basewads are not waterproof, meaning if you pick these up off the ground, they could be soggy from rain or dew. Since shotgun recoil increases as the muzzle velocity increases, wise shooters take care not to use ammunition with velocities significantly higher than that required for the intended use. Norwestern (Northwest Cartridge Co.)1956-1957, N.Y.C gauge (A.L Contributor Brad Fenson is back in the kitchen with another recipe for uplanders across the continent. A coating of nickel atop a copper-plated pellet creates the Holy Grail of lead shotdue to their slickness, nickel-plated pellets penetrate deeply, making them ideal for tough game such as pheasants, turkey and, in buckshot, big game. As an observation it seems that my performance with the Rem hulls or the AA hulls I struggle for 88 to 90. Savage Arms has announced the newest model in its series of straight-pull rifles, the Impulse Driven Hunter. :yes: here are pictures of the black cloud hulls. Reloading hull that suits any particular need. These hulls are special hulls (Chicago Arms Co.)1880 Part of the sales logic was the hull was a favorite of Used Peters shells exclusively. It will appear to fit just fine, but the smaller shell can lodge in the barrel. Hull I.D. Next, outside of high-capacity loads (think turkey, waterfowl), theres usually a cushion or crush section between the gas seals and shot cup that serves to absorb some of the initial setback energy to protect the shot. Shotshell, Reloading, Ballistics, & Chokes, http://www.duckhuntingchat.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=94168&p=716886&hilit=cut+hulls#p716886. We'll see who stands tall and who is small. and sometimes it is a no. One Trigger Hulls never seen before and Its for aesthetics and marketing, nothing else. Canada. Hard, copper-plated pellets better maintain their shape, and their smooth surface is less likely to snag feathers that lessen penetration. Before you throw it, take a good look I had no trouble getting the 1 pcs plastic hull data in then and getting good crimps. But these are not field hulls. far as the reloader is concerned. (Fred Biffar & Co.), Wood New York - 1975. Stan the 12 ga. HS hulls reload exactly like the 20 ga. HS hulls. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. some cases, the Letter can actually represent an alternate gauge. A.L Howard or Standard (A.L Howard Company)*1887-1884 Mogul or Superior Guaranteed (M.W Savage Factories Inc), Steel Lined Some shell boxes may show the velocity as Max. (maximum) or MAG. (magnum), which may indicate that the shells are loaded at or near the upper safety limit. The shell may be loaded with a slug or shot (size 0000 all the way up cut-rate load made for the sometime shooter. for new reloaders this might be a guide that would be helpful. I actually load the remington hulls with the same components also but I don't use near as much powder and use them for skeet and 16 yard line. Then leave it, as it should be very close for the Rem's hulls as well, but they are never exactly the same. 1880's+. black or green. Magnum (additional powder height) paper shotshells were made Remington went bankrupt in 2020 and the name was purchased by Vista Outdoors, The 3 1/2" ( what few I had ) were fiber basewads and not plastic. you hear guys talk about kents and chedditlite are the same hull. I have seen the 2 pcs plastic 3 1/2" Federal hull bassmaster has a pic. Buckshot is available in sizes 0000 to No. - 1892,sold Additionally, hunters found they had to select a larger shot size to achieve parity to leadwhereas the No. TARGET - These hulls made of the same design for a number of years. Refine by Gauge: 410 Bore 28 Gauge. Chilled shot, which has an antimony content upward of 2 percent, is harder but still somewhat soft. There are few if any of the Cheddite, RIO, FIO, etc ever in the bins. Your barefoot summer adventure companion is here! Primers can vary slightly in size; for example, European primers are slightly larger than their American counterparts, so the reloader must be cognizant. I have a feeling that they have 2 stars on the base and that would indicate Cheddite. SHOTSHELL GUIDE EDITION 2.1 Western Powders, Inc. PO Box 158 Miles City, Montana 59301 406-234-0422 www.ramshot.com www.accuratepowder.com . Field/Magnum/ Light/Handicap. The internal depth of the same (Yes, these The first thing were going to talk about is hull body construction. The three piece design concept is based off the hull, casehead (brass), and wad are three pieces that makeup the hull. indicates the ability of the shell to be reloaded. Paper basewads are also more likely to separate from their plastic hulls, making it critical that you inspect them for damage before reloading. Harts paper or plastic casing and in good shape by most collectors. be consistent, tough, and reloadable. Use a flashlight These include a Winchester AA Plus, Winchester AA, Winchester Universal, and a Federal Field & Range. Some USshotshell Dates after company name indicates known Safe shotgun shooters only carry ammunition that matches the shotgun they are using. Unfortunately Gauge can also vary, Then again??? Winchester Western in 1944 but rarely used the name on headstamps) Hey, its a Plating Co.1885 I have been told the wad is everythig with AA's. i still like fed's.after reloading cheddite hulls i noticed the brass loose on them to the point you could twist the around with ease.this is after 2 firings.oshay i was the one that asked you.and they did work fine for lead. used surplus 20 gauge shells to make the experimental 18 gauge shells. likely not to be seen again after short runs by manufacturers. ), Gamebore White Gold, JSR, Gamebore Steal, Eley CT20, Hull Cartridge Pro 20 and Game with Cheddite primers BUT a few of the new high brass White Golds have needed the Fiocchi primers. There are unique configurations, including those with tearaway petals or central posts. As a rule of thumb, the more cuts the shot cup has, the faster the pattern spreads. 45 Colt Loaded With 185gr Everglades Competition JHP, 6.5 Creedmoor Savage 110 Desert Tactical X-Caliber Barrel Upgrade, Chronograph Tests: .45-120 Using A 540 Grain Bullet (Ruger No. A shotgun shell, shotshell or simply shell is a type of rimmed, cylindrical (straight-walled) cartridges used specifically in shotguns, and is typically loaded with numerous small, pellet-like spherical sub-projectiles called shot, fired through a smoothbore barrel with a tapered constriction at the muzzle to regulate the extent of scattering.A shell can sometimes also contain only a single . The shotgun gauges manufactured today are: 10, 12, 16, 20, 28 and .410 bore. Primed hulls do not require a hazmat fee with standard ground shipping. Headstamps may have one or both of the markings listed. So many different types of reloading components available. company listings), AMERICAN BUCKLE and CARTRIDGE CO This may range from ounce to 2 ounces. Cartridge Co.)modern. Holy cow, this Shotshell ID stuff is making my head spin. No. For the non-reloader, its a moot point. This is mainly 1884, was then purchased by Lead shot can also be plated with copper or nickel to enhance performance. Bottles & 12-oz. This tool not only enables reloaders to maximize consistency in their components, but also permits the conversion . Some plastic materials crimp If you don't feel comfortable loading those HS hulls with the shiny plastic with the box around the AA, "Don't". What makes this so important is that the diameter of shotshell wads/gas seals can vary. Shells that are shorter may be safely used, but using longer shells is extremely dangerous because the crimp wont be able to fully open when the shell is fired, and would result in an extreme pressure build-up that could damage or even explode your barrel. Higher-than-normal heads (i.e. formulas. The WW-HA reloads nicely, but you have to change many of your old Get saltwater spray on the non-brass heads and youll quickly see the differencedegradation is rapid. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Once fired, it will then measure 2 inches. The list goes on. It is the duty of the reloader to detect and deduce Cut a Federal Field & Range branded plastic hull with paper basewad in half and youll have no trouble spotting the difference. In a straight-walled hull, the internal diameter of the hull is virtually the same from top to the bottom. I don't recommend loading them this way , it is something I was trying and have not finished messing with. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. The plastic base ones are a .090" with only a raised portion right around the primer. Concerning pellet sizes, they run from 0000 to No. I have old loading books for them, but have never bothered to dig them out and compare their data to current Gun Club or STS loads. The casing may be paper, plastic or metal (usually brass, But there is light at the end of this tunnel. The superior strength of this design allows these hulls to be reloaded many, many times, which is why they feature so prominently in modern reloading literature. Traditional wads have multiple cuts in the walls of the shot cups to facilitate release of the shot, however this influences patterns as well. I think the thing that will separate the tall from the small will be the bases coming off the plastic tubes. Rule#2. either Red, Blue, Green or Yellow plastic casings. Also made some brassshells marked THREE-INCH may be shorter than 3-inches! I wonder if they have changed that hull also. The second number is the length of the shell after it has been fired, and is normally measured in inches. Hope this helps you out and break em all Jeff grntitan Registered Or like Without looking at charts is there a considerable difference between Remington and Winchester loading componentsor can you switch from one hull to another without major loader adjustments. Federal uses a Saturn-shaped pellet in Black Cloud and Black Cloud TSS, while Winchester uses hexahedron shot in Blind Side. Account . 4, with smaller gauges typically featuring No. Heres how to avoid the poseurs and choose the right one. High brass/Low brass. PROMOTIONAL HULLS - Generally of cheap construction. Identification Product form : Article Product name : Shotshell Hulls, Empty, Primed 1.2. Even the mighty 3-inch 12-gauge only has a maximum average pressure (MAP) of 14,000 psi. For turkeys thats been my go-to, while bismuth and HEVI-Shot are still my favorites for waterfowl; I do use some steel as well, in certain circumstances. Boss (New Company, not the same as L.C Siner & Like rifle ammunition, it pays to select the optimal load. Howard) or N.Y Club, OLIN Insufficient width can lead to gouging, especially from tungsten. plastic materials were tried.) Nice work Cerberus, thanks for putting this together! hull specification changes or variances. Velocities may range from 1,100 fps to near 1,400 fps. Refine by Gauge: 16 Gauge 12 Gauge. Dayton Renew Tool Company, Huber Heights, OH, Pat (date) Newark, NJ or E Hart (Geo Hart & Co.)1873 As weve already discussed, the basewad is the internal portion at the bottom of a shotshell hull. What may be next for this fine old hull we do not know? I use the same exact compenents when reloading AA's and Remingtons. I regularly reload and shoot two-piece hulls, and certainly would not discourage others from the doing the same so long as you exercise some common sense. Plastic is waterproof, bonds better to the hull wall, and doesnt fray or scorch the way paper can. West Meriden (some just say Meridian, some West Meridian and some W. (1887 to 1934, Mar 19, 2015. Further influencing the pattern is the depth of the cuts; the deeper the cuts, the more open the patterns will be at closer ranges. or smokeless powder. Winchester spent years touting their one Piece "compression formed" hull as the best, and it got to be the gold standard, preferred by most. Co. (Carlsbad Ammunition Inc., Sacramento, CA), Cassady primer and the shell case. Knowing can make your shotgun shooting safer, more effective and more comfortable. The load and primer for the Rem and AA hulls is the same and the wads are blue dusters Larry. Due to its small size (less friction and wind resistance) and toughness, the smaller shot will penetrate deeper. The "Turtle & Snake" green hull! Open up a Winchester Universal branded polyformed plastic hull and youll immediately see a bright, white plastic basewad. To increase the lethality of steel, companies have changed the shape to enhance trauma. The trap ranges in NE Oregon for the most part will provide an abundance of SW Top Gun hulls. HUNTER ARMS COMPANY The thickness of the shot cup material also affects pellet distribution. Perhaps think about hurling these hulls. Where I could not verify the manufacturer I used the base wad shape compared against known hulls as the "fingerprint" to identify the hull. target reloaders and reloaders bought factory shells to get once-fired hulls. Note; there is a big difference between fiber-base hulls and paper-base Rule#1. I could probably load all the winchester/remington stuff with the same powder bushing, but I always play it safe, and am anal about keeping the speeds the same. The same applies to 3- and 3-inch shells; theyre shorter in length before firing. = yes. 60 Yds. Link, SEARS Tactical Advantage TV is focused on delivering short, to-the-point content on a host of subjects related to firearms, casting, reloading, optics and accessories. Chilled shot is commonly employed in economical game or target loads found at big-box stores. Capacity = almost. You may still have a small pinhole in the final crimp, but the crimp will be tight. Shotshell Items 1 to 266 Filter No icon name was supplied or your browser does not support SVG Refine By. its a goner. The old hull passes into oblivion. I can pick up a box of shells and know exactly what is in them. Target hulls are usually made the same for years and years. If you look at the very top of the shell, Headstamps Link, ROBIN I'm assuming it was a guests shell, and that it was new this year. Many companies, such as Winchester may only place a USA Division), Fort Dearborn 7 Central & South America, Oceania & Unknowns. magnum). Arms Company until it was purchased by Western in 1932. 4 to No. Can you give us a pic of the shell base? Fowler - may have periods in between letters.). All Federal hulls "what makes the Remingington STS and Nitro superior for reloading?". I'll be using the traditional materials for the wading so we can see if that has any good or bad effects. above), BRI (Ballistic Can Coolers | An Official Journal Of The NRA, Find More Great NRA Publications Perfect For Every Interest, Discover Everything That The NRA Has To Offer. which are very different from each other. Using more than necessary can make shooting unnecessarily uncomfortable. Red There are two types of hull wall shape: straight-walled, and tapered. - ? the original company and they use a USA headstamp). No. I load them 2 or maybe 3 times and pleats in the crimp start cracking so I discard them. shell may also be marked "Western Field" on another base). (Especially brass) there may also be an A or a B after the gauge. A forum community dedicated to duck hunters and hunting enthusiasts. any other manufacturer.) Some hulls changed to fit a specific load or special lot. Six-folds are best employed for hunting loads featuring larger shot and sub-gauges, while eight-folds works well with smaller shot sizes. If a wad made for straight-walled cases is used by mistake, the base or support legs may become crushed or deformed, raising pressure, and impacting accuracy. I would only reload that one AA hull that has the boxed AA and very shiny plastic with a Mec reloader, or any other loader that pushes the primer into the hull using a tube from the inside of the hull. Holiday A single REM-UMC from bearing on the strength of the load. (E Remington: overall hull lengths. If a wad made for a tapered case were used by mistake, the base may not completely cover the powder charge, resulting in greatly reduced velocity, power, and accuracy. This hull is made in a number of gauges. For example, the "Winchester" only For example, Federal Premium uses roll crimps on its Heavyweight TSS and Grand Slam offerings.
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