(sound of paper being torn off a tablet) Can you tell me a little about your character and the status of that project? Cindy I notice that you are visibly upset and have tears and crying. CINDY: Um hmm. Flothe said. The work is being paid for by the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children and a former forensic anthropologist for the Georgia Bureau of Investigation is working for the center on the case. Glenn had been involved in the investigation of three murdered women; these victims had obviously been connected, they had all been discovered at least partially nude, theyd been shot with the same type of firearm, and buried in a shallow grave. CINDY: Uh huh. CINDY (cont. Hansen landed in a federal prison in Pennsylvania but didn't get along with other inmates.He served time in Minnesota before returning to Alaska in May 1988, corrections officials said at the time. CINDY: They were a dark brown. I looked in the back, OK, there was like a you know how seats in front have covers theyre metal? And I said, Fine, no problem.. She'd noticed women's clothes, toys, and dogs wandering around, according to. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. By the time hed caught up, Cindy had flagged down a passing motorist; this good samaritan drove the teen to a nearby hotel room, and he promptly notified the Alaskan police. CINDY: Yes. Darla had known that shed married a dedicated hunter, so when Robert had taken time away from the family, it was easy to explain away. Hudgens: Nothing that I want to talk about quite yet. FLOTHE: When you drove up to the house did you see any other cars there at the time? CINDY: He wrote it down on a (inaudible). My dream is to purchasing what I need to get that YouTube/patreon off the ground. Couple find note in chimney that reveals their 290,000 house was 100 times cheaper 50 years ago. She gave me an extremely solid foundation and told me her earliest memories that she had until where she is to this day. It seems that every source I looked at says something different, though generally within those three years. Lets touch on this serials background for a minute, because thats important when looking at a killer. FLOTHE: OK. After being raped and tortured in the basement of Hansen's home, teen sex worker Cindy Paulson made a run for it at the airport while her captor was busy loading his plane. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. There are 30+ professionals named "Cindy Paulson", who use LinkedIn to exchange information, ideas, and opportunities. CINDY: Yeah. He was a natural leftie, but forced to become right handed. Employee-owned firm continues pioneering legacy of technical excellence, innovation, and talent growth, Brown and Caldwell engineers share their inspirational stories. CINDY: Yep. A woman accused Hansen of rape in 1971, even as he awaited trial in a separate incident for following a stranger to her Spenard home and trying to kidnap her at gunpoint, according to Anchorage Daily News reports at the time. Hansens Weapon Cache (courtesy Alaska State Troopers; found in the attic of Hansens residence; note the handgun at center left), Your email address will not be published. This is Sunday night or early Monday morning? I think it will be a fun change of pace for me. It became very accessible to me. Some people dont care to dive into it, but its the reason that I do this. Okay, she was standing there and I was driving down the street and she waved a little bit and so forth and I pulled up there and talked with her. There. Did he have a moustache, Cindy? One of my greatest aspirations is to change the entire industry, creating a space that embraces the full range of potential and diversity that humans bring.. As was Hansens wont, he wanted to feel things out. In 2007 his multi-billion payoff shorting the overheated U.S. housing market made him a global industry superstar. She also discussed her fun cameo in Machete Kills and her upcoming films, Gimme Shelter and The Kitchen Sink. CINDY: Bob and then Don. It was Don, and then OK, it was Don and then after we were at his place, and he was going to take me to the airport, he was saying about Bob. I was surprised that I could do it and then go home and be able to feel removed from it. Scott did an amazing job at keeping a very steady uproar and pace. The many other women who fell into Hansen's grasp were flown into the alaskan wilderness, near the Knik River, where Hansen had a cabin. The others were never located. Hudgens: It was definitely the rape scene because we recreated that room to a T. I mean, everything that I was seeing, the emotions that I was feeling, were the exact same things that these young victims had gone through as well, and it was crazy living that, even though its make believe. FLOTHE: Hmm. The date on her grave marker is April 24, 1984, one day off the date the body was found. Process Intensification with BC:Ntensify, Technology and Innovation Leadership Team, Brown and Caldwell looks to the future of 75 years and counting, Black History Month and Engineers Week: Why I became an engineer. Murder in Alaska: Teen Killers In The 80s, Arrest of Robert Hansen: Nothing But the Truth, Sort Of, Darla Hansen: The Better Half of Robert Hansen, Hansen's Past Warranted Property Search - Butcher Baker, A Killer's Turning Point, Badly Missed - Butcher Baker. 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Your email address will not be published. CINDY: A police officer at the Sixth Avenue police department. FLOTHE: Friday morning. I think before you mentioned something being on the roof of the house. Daily News reporter Sean Doogan contributed to this story. CINDY: On the corner of Fourth and Denali. FLOTHE: Describe this man to me. John Paulson. I mean, bills, or did he just give you the change? Kidnapped: The True Story of Cindy Paulson, Murder in Alaska: Teen Killers In The 80s, Arrest of Robert Hansen: Nothing But the Truth, Sort Of, Darla Hansen: The Better Half of Robert Hansen, Hansen's Past Warranted Property Search - Butcher Baker, A Killer's Turning Point, Badly Missed - Butcher Baker. And he had pulled out his wallet and showed me a whole bunch of money (inaudible). Cindy later recounted that Robert had offered her $200 bucks for oral sex, and that hed pulled a gun on her just as soon as she stepped inside his vehicle; the teen was driven back to Roberts home where she was chained to a beam by her throat, raped, and tortured for several hours. For a man who had been a social outcast all of his life, it shouldve been an incredible feeling to finally be accepted; in his new town he opened his very own successful bakery with money obtained through an insurance scam, he and his new wife had a couple of kids, and Robert became a well respected member of society. FLOTHE: Where did you go when you did it in the car? It is so nice when you dont have to build a character from the ground up by yourself. Its very specific and unique, and its that type of film. I think hes such an incredible filmmaker. The cause of death will be determined by the medical examiner but it appears he died of natural causes, she said. Glenn Flothe, AST. Robert Hansen confessed to killing 17 women in the 1970s and early 80s and after the murder 30 years ago, led authorities to her body near a lake in the north of Anchorage. And Ill give you one guess as to who fit the bill perfectly! Rothschild recounted watching Hansen transform into "the monster he was" the day prosecutors sat down with Hansen and laid out the evidence against him. FLOTHE: I have its kind of a picture book with different types of guns in it, OK. Would you take a look through that picture book and see if you see a gun that might be similar to the one that this man had? CINDY: Some times they were. FLOTHE: About how long did you have contact with him on Friday? But aside from that, he just let me play and take it wherever I wanted. FLOTHE: OK. FLOTHE: Thank you. Growing up Robert was scrawny, he had this terrible stutter, and a super bad case of acne; all of this made him the target of bullies everywhere. https://lelandhale.com/butcherbaker/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/cindy_interview_mofo.mp3, Murder in Alaska: Teen Killers In The 80s, Arrest of Robert Hansen: Nothing But the Truth, Sort Of, Darla Hansen: The Better Half of Robert Hansen, Hansen's Past Warranted Property Search - Butcher Baker, A Killer's Turning Point, Badly Missed - Butcher Baker. This looks black but its actually blue. CINDY: Um, he had me chained around my neck for a time. Hudgens: Its important for me because its easy for people to make snap judgments about young women in her position. Hes amazing. FLOTHE: How did you know that? This actually wasnt an uncommon thing for parents to do during this time period, plenty of us lefties in past generations were forced to conform, but apparently this deeply scarred this young man. Part of the Daily Mail, The Mail on Sunday & Metro Media Group. I wanted everyone to see that were all the same. CINDY: Uh huh. How did you approach your portrayal of Cindy? "Good riddance to him.". CINDY: I could say the time but it may not be the correct one. Learn how your comment data is processed. Wife is shocked after husband of 15 years asks for permission to have an affair: 'I don't know what to do'. CINDY: It was a black There was a bullet hole in the floor. FLOTHE: Horns? CINDY: Uh huh. If hed just murdered those women, they couldnt have turned him in, and he wouldnt have been in trouble not committing violent crimes was never an option. That was everywhere in the whole In the basement there was fish, there was wolf skin, there was stuffed animals everywhere. He joined the ADN in 2004. And, um, he took me to his house on Old Harbor Road in Muldoon. But Cindy could feel California clients and BCs culture were becoming more open and it felt like the right time to be fully herself at work. Roberts first kill is either believed to have occurred in 1971, 1972, or 1973. After hed heard what Cindy had to say, Glenn knew a few things to be true. In the 1960s he moved to Anchorage and opened a bakery of his own in a strip mall at Ninth Avenue and Ingra Street. Hudgens: Thats always been the goal. CINDY: Uh huh. He would abduct the women and take them to remote places outside the city, sometimes driving them and other times he would fly his private plane. Eventually Robert did admit to having raped dozens, but would only confess to the murder of 17; he even lead police to the shallow graves of twelve more corpses. 'We're not trying to solve the crime. This is Installment Three of the September 27, 1983, interview of Cindy Paulson by Sgt. FLOTHE: OK. Was it a blue color? FLOTHE: Number five. I really respect that. Its way down on the bottom. Glenn Flothe and his wife, Cheryl, after her successful kidney transplant in 2007 Despite his growing rap sheet, Hansen escaped notice when Anchorage women soon began to disappear. Facebook gives people the power to. Robert Christian Hansen (the Butcher Baker) and the Delphi Murde FLOTHE: And he contacts you at where? There, he held her captive and proceeded to rape and torture her. So he felt he should go and get the girl and take her over to his house. Now, from reading your report apparently you had a pretty good description of the house that you gave the police. CINDY: Um hmm As soon as he was of age Robert joined the Army reserves and moved to another town where he found himself a wife, but he was still treated badly. Cindy had been with BC for 14 years (more than 30 years to date), managing a region and leading many projects when she felt something was missing. FLOTHE: Turning the tape off at 8:34 pm. People either loved it or they hated it. With his death, the full extent of Hansen's deeds, including the true number of his victims, the location of their bodies and the identities of all the women he kidnapped, raped and sometimes hunted like wild game before murdering might never be known. We all have the same needs. So the next day, which was Sunday (sniffles), I was on Fourth and Denali and this gentleman had been by and pulled in the parking lot and offered me, and I got in the car voluntarily, I was talking with this man and he offered me $200 for a blowjob in the car. See how my sights are painted with an orange CINDY: And then up here to where I was starting to get it off. Cause at the time, I was very new to Alaska and I dont never go to anybodys house. CINDY: Yes, its real Hell yeah, Im bothered by it. As part of his plea deal, Hansen agreed to help authorities find the graves of the murdered women. Hansen later told investigators that his first kill involved a woman he assumed to be a topless dancer or prostitute. Glenn Flothe, AST. Vanessa Hudgens: I was a little bit shaken up that this guy who was well respected in the neighborhood and everyone knew as the family man could have done such atrocious and heinous crimes. I chatted there with her a little bit and, uh, made an agreement with her that I was going to see her sometime. He was the lead reporter on the Pulitzer Prize-winning "Lawless" project and is part of an ongoing collaboration between the ADN and ProPublica's Local Reporting Network. She left the ADN in October 2018. She was hysterical, half-clothed, and had an unbelievable story of survival to tell. CINDY: Yep. To the left is the basement. You can listen to the podcast of this interview here. The Butcher Baker passed away of natural causes in August of 2014, he lived to be 75 years old. This is a very intense film. And I really, really If there was any chance of me getting away, he wasnt getting away with it. The FBI had been spot on about everything. And he suggested that we could go to his place. Hudgens: I wanted her to be a normal teenage girl. CINDY: (interrupting) It was an older car. All throughout the mid seventies and even into the eighties Robert carried on with his hobby of abducting and murdering women, and theres no telling how much longer he wouldve lasted had he not decided to attack a 17 year old girl by the name of Cindy Paulson in June of 83. Why dont we start then with what will be freshest in mind, which is the the cases that are pending now and from what happened in June of last year. The identity of one of his victims, who was found near Horseshoe lake north of Anchorage has never been established and now her remains are being exhumed. FLOTHE: Did he approach you or did you approach him? Darla eventually obtained a teaching job in Russia, and as far as I can tell she remains there today: the kids made lives for themselves somewhere in the American Midwest. Every time it was in my face. FLOTHE: Ah. 2022 Anchorage Daily News. CINDY: I think he gave me a five. RH: Yes. He used it to stab her in the back, he said. FLOTHE: Did you give him the room number too? FLOTHE: How did you know this? FLOTHE: Did you get into his car, or did he just get out or what? I operated behind a work persona. You know, I was supposed to meet him. We recently landed an exclusive interview with Hudgens who talked about her reaction when she first read the script, how meeting the real Cindy Paulson helped inform her portrayal of the character, why it was important to her that audiences see Paulson as a real human being and not a stereotype, what she learned from working with experienced actors like Cage and Cusack who inspired her performance, how Walkers enthusiasm and energy kept the atmosphere on set upbeat despite the dark subject matter, and what she discovered about herself in the process of making the film. Hudgens: I think that theyre doing one. Kidnapped: Cindy Paulson, Part II July 18, 2017 Admin Leave a comment This is Installment Two of the September 27, 1983, interview of Cindy Paulson by Sgt. In her case, becoming authentic on the job took 10-plus years. We just want her to be identified.'. And he contacts you. CINDY: Looked kinda like this, with a really long barrel. Like a station wagon. You know, like mine is. CINDY: On Fourth and Denali. Or was it some other color? CINDY: I believe it was right there right across from the Sheraton on Fifth and Denali. He had been placed in medical segregation in Anchorage, which is akin to being in the hospital, Daigle said at the time. CINDY: It wasnt painted. FLOTHE: And when did you hear from him again? And brown socks. The Big Timber, Mush Inn, I dont, sorry, I cant remember which one. Identifying and finding Hansens weapon cache would prove essential to making the murder case against the Butcher, Baker. [Installment Two]. Her eventual getaway was central to Hansen's ultimate capture and confession to the murder of dozens of women. Now her body has been exhumed from from the cemetery at Anchorage Memorial Park with the hope that DNA testing and facial reconstruction will lead to her being identified. He confessed to sometimes releasing the women in the woods in order to stalk and hunt them before the murders. In the film inspired by true events, Hudgens character forms an unlikely partnership with Alaska State Trooper, Sgt. This was a secretive killer who is believed to have taken half of his murders with him to the grave. Survivor Cindy, who is a married mother of three today. Only reason I know was cause I was layin there. (Sound of pages turning. What about Gimme Shelter which is completed? FLOTHE: And contact Cindy at this phone number and this room number The Butcher Baker Minisode. "He was mild-mannered Bob the Baker, and as I'm looking at him, all of sudden he transformed. Covering the hottest movie and TV topics that fans want. And so, I was guided along very beautifully by them. When his truck became stuck in the mud, the woman tried to run. Like many killers he targeted transient women, they were often exotic dancers and sex workers; after hed charmed the woman of his choice and done his best to convince her of his harmlessness, Robert would talk her into leaving with him. CINDY: Um I think it was around six. FLOTHE: He had an automatic garage door opener? After we get in the garage we gotta go up these stairs. Stephen Hoage, operations administrator for the state medical examiner's office said: 'We know what happened to her. Just his whole work ethic I found fascinating, so I jumped at the opportunity to be able to do something with him. And hes about five six, weighs about 170 pounds. And who showed you those pictures? (laughs) Its my monster of sorts. You enjoy my work and would like to read exclusive articles, you can join my Patreon for as little as $3! FRANK ROTHSCHILD (FR): Alright. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Copyright 2023 Butcher Baker Primer WordPress theme by. That seemed to be a common enough thing to do, plenty of troubled Americans had moved to Alaska to start a new life, and this worked out splendidly for Robert! And that, um, I was lucky because usually the other ones stayed a week. CINDY: Um hmm. Brown and Caldwell's former Chief Technical Officer Cindy Paulson understands that for Balance and Belonging to thrive, employees need to be who they truly are. They searched his plane, home and car and found he had some items, including jewelry, that had belonged to the women. Interesting stuff. Several months later, police with search warrants went through Hansen's home, finding enough evidence to eventually charge him with four murders. FLOTHE: Did he point the gun at you at any time? What was the most difficult scene for you to shoot and why? FLOTHE: Were the handcuffs tight? The website seems to belong to the author of the book which inspired the aforementioned Hollywood movie, his name is Leland E. Hale. FLOTHE: And then you overslept and consequently didnt meet him. She would, of course, run like hell for her life, but the killer would track her down. And, getting to that point, its so powerful, she says. FLOTHE: Um hmm. But after some bodies were found by hunters in the area, investigators re-visited suspects and realized he fit the profile. Feb 12, 2023. CINDY: Yeah, it had a really long barrel. Im not correct on the times, OK? This link contains non-graphic crime scene photos from Robert Hansen, it is mostly of the grave sites. Humans could have wings, tentacles or an extra ARM 'in the next few decades' thanks to leaps in human DIY fruit and veg! They pushed me every day to get reactions out of me on the camera that I wouldnt have done if it wasnt for them taking me to those places. Its a over shirt. CINDY: A little moustache. And it may not even be in there. Healthy mother-of-two, 32, collapsed and died from brain bleed while she led fitness bounce class, Taking Vitamin D each day could cut your chances of getting dementia, study claims. We deserve to identify ourselves and our many pieces, both personally and professionally. FLOTHE: Now you mentioned this airplane seat. I was kinda trippin I really thought (inaudible) Let's get it straight: "My wife befriended Cindy for months at all hours of the night and morning without ever meeting her until two days before she was to testify against Hansen. The Special Agent had known that this killer would be into collecting trophies from his victims, that he would have very little self worth, and that hed have a burning hatred for women you know, the usual type thing, but to pinpoint this killers stutter is truly astonishing! While she was in her element, developing regional client solutions with diversely talented teams, she realized that her clients and many colleagues did not know much about her personal life. (inaudible) CINDY: Yeah, but then again one seat looks the same. And um, after he had got the condom on, I kept doing it, and then he kept feeling around my neck, like he was just trippin, playing around with my neck and my necklaces. Dr. Cindy Paulson, senior vice president and Brown and Caldwell's Chief Technical Officer, is responsible for advancing the company's technical strategy from innovation to talent development and quality delivery. How does it compare to what you envisioned when you first read the script? And he had called me and I slept through it. Time is 8:15. Hansen was officially charged with the abduction and rape of Cindy Paulson and the murders of Joanna Messina, Sherry Morrow, Paula Goulding, and the unidentified body known as "Eklutna Annie." On February 28, 1984, Robert Hansen was sentenced to 461 years plus life in prison with no parole. Then they would meet. CINDY: It was a really dark color. Heres a link: https://www.patreon.com/Morbidnmacabre. Like a Datsun Toyota cream-colored car. Though Cindy was able to describe her attacker and his home in great detail, it didnt make any difference. He never learned her real name, he said. FLOTHE: What kind of boots? Wanted to put some distance between them, in time and space, just in case somebody had seen them together. Hansens House, Old Harbor Road (copyright Leland E. Hale). A mousy, seemingly easy-natured family man, Hansen admitted to killing 17 woman and raping another 30 over a dozen years in the 1970s and 1980s. Just him by himself. This site is not free, I pay more than $300 just to keep this. FLOTHE: Was there anybody with him on Friday? The infamous Special Agent John Douglas took a look at the case, and he informed the trooper that his perpetrator would likely have a stutter! Published: 09:00 GMT, 4 September 2014 | Updated: 01:18 GMT, 4 December 2016, Alaskan serial killer Robert Hansen, who killed 17 women in the early 1970s and 80s. FLOTHE: What was he driving then, Sunday night? CINDY: And then after I looked I recognized him. Psychology tells us that we all process things differently things that you may be able to shrug off, incidents which may make you stronger and more determined could emotionally break someone else quite literally. Police suspected the real death toll was even higher. I personally loved it. Glenn Flothe. CINDY: On. When he was arrested for the sexual assaults, Robert had claimed to have been an innocent man, and she believed what hed told her; shed had her suspicions that her husband may have been a cheater who possibly enjoyed the company of an escort every once in a while, but a woman killer? As you know, the only electronic I open is a crappy android. CINDY: About eleven, eleven-thirty. Thats not all he said, of course. Can you tell us how that all came about? Instead he would immediately force her to board his small bush plane, and hed fly her out to a desolate area near Knik River where he would sexually assault her in a little shack which hed occupied there. 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